Discussion:
Is the media killing the Arts?
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Schwann - Memetico
2008-03-16 16:25:50 UTC
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i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....


the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....


I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...

now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!

best,

Schwann Cybershaman


In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
on http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ I doubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more.
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-16 16:30:06 UTC
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Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
on http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ I doubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more.
Rev. Richard Skull
2008-03-16 17:52:15 UTC
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Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about  the origins of Christianity has appeared
onhttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/I doubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So is shitting your pants. Now go out and make some art in your pants
boy!
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-16 17:57:39 UTC
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Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
onhttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/I doubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more
So is shitting your pants.
Now go out and make some art in your pants boy!
I did that already, but not today.
Jackpot Julian Jubilee
2008-03-17 16:05:29 UTC
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Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
onhttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/Idoubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more
So is shitting your pants.
Now go out and make some art in your pants boy!
I did that already, but not today.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
POOP, there it is!
Crissi-Topper
2008-03-18 19:37:05 UTC
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Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
onhttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/Idoubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more
So is shitting your pants.
Now go out and make some art in your pants boy!
I did that already, but not today.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
not YET today. There's still time!
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-19 02:34:42 UTC
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Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God, let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
onhttp://zeitgeistmovie.com/Idoubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more
So is shitting your pants.
Now go out and make some art in your pants boy!
I did that already, but not today.
Post by Rev. 11D Meow!
not YET today. There's still time!
Funny you should mention that.
Almost did just now.
I was so RIVETED to my 'puter chair
waiting for the SNUB in HoS 1144
that never arrived.

Just like my 2nd CotSG Minister Ordainment pack will..

<boo hoo> <pout pout>
SODDI the Unclean
2008-03-16 18:02:46 UTC
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The media IS art.
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-16 18:28:32 UTC
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Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
The message is the media!

yay
purple
2008-03-16 18:34:39 UTC
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Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.


"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.


The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-16 18:46:21 UTC
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Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally trrrrrrrrrrr
made it this far in your boast, sorry ass.
MistySteele
2008-03-16 21:25:59 UTC
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Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Interesting. One could say that art is only defined as such because it
is what people see. Shakespeare, Dickens, and Da Vinci are all famous
only because their works were, and are, seen by the masses. Now that the
media is seen by the masses as well, it has become a new form of art.
So, in my opinion, the media is not "killing" the Arts, only replacing
some of them with something else. Whether this is good or bad is up to
individual preference.
unknown
2008-03-16 21:57:59 UTC
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Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Nonsense. Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression. From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system. Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.

This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience". Feh. Like ooh wow,
man. But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?

Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading. But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Post by purple
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself. The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.

***

Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own? You
seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.

But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message! Copy-paste! What a message!

The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself. I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Talk is cheap, little man.
- Enkidu

:: Currently listening to Solitude, 1982, by Ennio Morricone, from "The Thing"
Rev. Tom Sane
2008-03-16 22:46:38 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Nonsense. Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression. From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system. Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.
This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience". Feh. Like ooh wow,
man. But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading. But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Post by purple
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself. The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
***
Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own? You
seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.
But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message! Copy-paste! What a message!
The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself. I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialisthttp://joecosby.com/
Talk is cheap, little man.
- Enkidu
:: Currently listening to Solitude, 1982, by Ennio Morricone, from "The Thing"
Copy and paste is the message.

purple gets off on eating paste and huffing toner.
SODDI the Unclean
2008-03-16 23:27:54 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Nonsense. Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression. From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system. Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.
This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience". Feh. Like ooh wow,
man. But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading. But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Post by purple
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself. The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
***
Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own? You
seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.
But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message! Copy-paste! What a message!
The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself. I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
People like McLuhan and dean don't seem to actually like art very much at
all and any interest they feign is only when it supports their ideological
stances.

A year or so back I caught the deanies yammering on and on about Marcel
Duchamp. It was apparent that not one of them had seen any of Duchamp's art
in real life.

dean's little cut 'n paste above demonstrates exactly how intellectually
impoverished and aesthetically bankrupt McLuhan's whole philosophy was and
why it is of little worth to anyone except those who make a career out
McLuluology.

Even funnier than that, it's just WRONG. Totally ass-backwards.
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-16 23:35:46 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Nonsense. Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression. From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system. Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.
This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience". Feh. Like ooh wow,
man. But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading. But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Post by purple
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself. The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
***
Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own? You
seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.
But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message! Copy-paste! What a message!
The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself. I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
People like McLuhan and dean don't seem to actually like art very much at
all and any interest they feign is only when it supports their ideological
stances.
A year or so back I caught the deanies yammering on and on about Marcel
Duchamp. It was apparent that not one of them had seen any of Duchamp's
art in real life.
dean's little cut 'n paste above demonstrates exactly how intellectually
impoverished and aesthetically bankrupt McLuhan's whole philosophy was and
why it is of little worth to anyone except those who make a career out
McLuluology.
Even funnier than that, it's just WRONG. Totally ass-backwards.
Truer words : Never spoken

Thank you SODDI!
H.P. Huey
2008-03-17 01:20:35 UTC
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I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
That definitively explains why Usenet is like yelling into a mirror
and telling your reflection how totally FUGLY it is. That's
understandable if you are Wilford Brimley, but I make Fabio look like
Timmy from "South Park," so what the fuck is up there? Must be the
defective plate they put in my head at the time of my 12th resurrection.
No, that's not true, I hate you all. That's the spirit, sport. I vote
for acquital.

--

HellPope Huey
Three Stooges Plumbing:
We drown more mice before 8 a.m. than whoever starts at 9.

"The deacons agree that the Reverend Dr. Clapsattle
does not harmonize with the edifice."
~ George Booth cartoon

"Christ, I feel like I was braced to lift a half-ton truck
and it turned out to be a hologram."
~ Doc Webster
Schwann - Memetico
2008-03-17 16:32:18 UTC
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In article <DHjDj.20870$Ej5.15891
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
Post by H.P. Huey
Post by unknown
I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
That definitively explains why Usenet is like yelling into a mirror
and telling your reflection how totally FUGLY it is. That's
understandable if you are Wilford Brimley, but I make Fabio look like
Timmy from "South Park," so what the fuck is up there? Must be the
defective plate they put in my head at the time of my 12th resurrection.
No, that's not true, I hate you all. That's the spirit, sport. I vote
for acquital.
i think this para above is the most reasonable
interpretation of the evidence...

aside - interesting how some this subject
spark large chunks of meta-programming in
parabolic arcs which end up trying to define
the indefinable...a mirror, indeed...or a
black hole....

the webtrance meme, for example....take this
slightly hallucinogenic notion of sitting in
the middle of the night and communing with
yourself, while peripherally something
coalesces into a shape you cognise from 15
years ago...

or break out beyond ASCII and read the whole
story here

http://undergrowth.org/user/schwann_cybershama
n
H.P. Huey
2008-03-17 16:44:06 UTC
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Post by Schwann - Memetico
In article <DHjDj.20870$Ej5.15891
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
Post by H.P. Huey
Post by unknown
I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
That definitively explains why Usenet is like yelling into a mirror
and telling your reflection how totally FUGLY it is. That's
understandable if you are Wilford Brimley, but I make Fabio look like
Timmy from "South Park," so what the fuck is up there? Must be the
defective plate they put in my head at the time of my 12th resurrection.
No, that's not true, I hate you all. That's the spirit, sport. I vote
for acquital.
i think this para above is the most reasonable
interpretation of the evidence...
Now I NOW you are a troll. No one legitimate suggests that Usenet has
any jacks for plugging in reason. All your evidence are belong to Yogi Bear.

--

HellPope Huey
I hope a 15-foot-tall Irish springer appears from nowhere,
takes a 60-pound dump in the bed of your truck
and then disappears,
never to be seen again
or even mentioned on the news.

I know you can't trust smiling faces.
I know its possible to be friends with people
with whom you disagree.
I know its important to be civil
to those you find distasteful.
~ Philip Martin

A lot of people out there think
'Easy Rider' had a happy ending.
~ P. J. O' Rourke
Schwann - Memetico
2008-03-17 17:01:23 UTC
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Post by H.P. Huey
Post by Schwann - Memetico
i think this para above is the most reasonable
interpretation of the evidence...
Now I NOW you are a troll. No one legitimate suggests that Usenet has
any jacks for plugging in reason. All your evidence are belong to Yogi Bear.
you take the evidence to Yogi, and I'll take a
trip down denial:)

meantime, back in the 21st century, the
periscope probing the rear end of time travel
finds us happily squabbling about shiite in
order to justify why we became extinct?
Schwann - Memetico
2008-03-18 00:53:14 UTC
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legitamacy, yeh, well, that's something I'm
only recently aspiring to; meantime back in
the 21st century, patience isn't something the
global mind, (aka usenet), is fond of...itself
a construct of darwinist meta-programming
...all very humanist, i know...but it's the
only tribe i got....
Steve Thompson
2008-03-17 20:12:27 UTC
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Post by H.P. Huey
Post by unknown
I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
That definitively explains why Usenet is like yelling into a mirror
and telling your reflection how totally FUGLY it is. That's
... a base canard.
Post by H.P. Huey
understandable if you are Wilford Brimley, but I make Fabio look like
Timmy from "South Park," so what the fuck is up there? Must be the
defective plate they put in my head at the time of my 12th resurrection.
That's quite a lot. It's no wonder you are so smart.
Post by H.P. Huey
No, that's not true, I hate you all. That's the spirit, sport. I vote
for acquital.
One of your problems is that your writing is all about the same goddamn
shit, without meaningful variation. Who but a deluded child could mistake
your posts for something posted by a decent human being? What then can
anyone say about your motives, dickbreath?


Regards,

Steve
--
I just know that bastard lives in Aurora.
purple
2008-03-17 03:19:10 UTC
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Post by unknown
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
[... Games are dramatic models of our psychological lives providing
release of particular tensions. They are collective and popular art
forms with strict conventions. Ancient and nonliterate societies
naturally regarded games as live dramatic models of the universe or of
the outer cosmic drama. The Olympic games were direct enactments of
the agon, or struggle of the Sun god. The runners moved around a track
adorned with the zodiacal signs in imitation of the daily circuit of
the sun chariot. With games and plays that were dramatic enactments of
a cosmic struggle, the spectator role was plainly religious. The
participation in these rituals. kept the cosmos on the right track, as
well as providing a booster shot for the tribe. The tribe or the city
was a dim replica of that cosmos, as much as were the games, the
dances, and the icons. How art became a sort of civilized substitute
for magical games and rituals is-the story of the detribalization
which came with literacy. Art, like games, became a mimetic echo of,
and relief from, the old magic of total involvement. As the audience
for the magic games and plays became more individualistic, the role of
art and ritual shifted from the cosmic to the humanly psychological,
as in Greek drama. Even the ritual became more verbal and less mimetic
or dancelike. Finally, the verbal narrative from Homer and Ovid became
a romantic literary substitute for the corporate liturgy and group
participation. Much of
the scholarly effort of the past century in many fields has been
devoted to a minute reconstruction of the conditions of primitive art
and ritual, for it has been felt that this course offers the key to
understanding the mind of primitive man. The key to this
understanding, however, is also available in our new electric
technology that is so swiftly and profoundly re-creating the
conditions and -attitudes of primitive tribal man in ourselves.

The wide appeal of the games of recent times-the popular sports of
baseball and football and ice hockey-seen as outer models of inner
psychological life, become understandable. As models, they are
collective rather than private dramatizations of inner life. Like our
vernacular tongues, all games are media. of interpersonal
communication, and they could have neither existence nor meaning
except as extensions of our immediate inner lives. If we take a tennis
racket in hand, or thirteen playing cards, we consent to being a part
of a dynamic mechanism in an artificially contrived situation. Is this
not the reason we enjoy those games most that mimic other situations
in our work and social lives? Do not our favorite games provide a
release from the monopolistic tyranny of the social machine? In a
word, does not Aristotle's idea of drama as a mimetic reenactment and
relief from our besetting pressures apply perfectly to all kinds of
games and dance and fun? For fun or games to be welcome, they must
convey an echo of workaday life. On the other hand, a man or society
without games is one sunk in the zombie trance of the automation. Art
and games enable us to stand aside from the material pressures of
routine and convention, observing and questioning. Games as popular
art forms offer to all an immediate means of participation in the full
life of a society, such as no single role or job can offer to any man.
Hence the contradiction in "professional" sport. When the games door
opening into the free life leads into a merely specialist job,
everybody senses an incongruity.

The games of a people reveal a great deal about them. Games are a
sort of artificial paradise like Disneyland, or some Utopian vision by
which we interpret and complete the meaning of our daily lives. In
games we devise means of nonspecialized participation in the larger
drama of our time. But for civilized man the idea of participation is
strictly limited. Not for him the depth participation that erases the
boundaries of individual awareness as in the Indian cult of darshan,
the mystic experience of the physical presence of vast numbers of
people.

A game is a machine that can get into action only if the players
consent to become puppets for a time.. For individualist Western man,
much of his "adjustment" to society has the character of a personal
surrender to the collective demands. Our games help both to teach us
this kind of adjustment and also to provide a release from it. The
uncertainty of the outcomes of our contests makes a rational excuse
for the mechanical rigor of the rules and procedures of the game....]
- Marshall McLuhan and Ted Carpenter, UNDERSTANDING MEDIA: THE
EXTENSIONS OF MAN, 1964, p.237-8 (MIT Press Edition)


The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Jackpot Julian Jubilee
2008-03-17 16:12:16 UTC
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Post by purple
Post by unknown
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
[... Games are dramatic models of our psychological lives providing
release of particular tensions. They are collective and popular art
forms with strict conventions. Ancient and nonliterate societies
naturally regarded games as live dramatic models of the universe or of
the outer cosmic drama. The Olympic games were direct enactments of
the agon, or struggle of the Sun god. The runners moved around a track
adorned with the zodiacal signs in imitation of the daily circuit of
the sun chariot. With games and plays that were dramatic enactments of
a cosmic struggle, the spectator role was plainly religious. The
participation in these rituals. kept the cosmos on the right track, as
well as providing a booster shot for the tribe. The tribe or the city
was a dim replica of that cosmos, as much as were the games, the
dances, and the icons. How art became a sort of civilized substitute
for magical games and rituals is-the story of the detribalization
which came with literacy. Art, like games, became a mimetic echo of,
and relief from, the old magic of total involvement. As the audience
for the magic games and plays became more individualistic, the role of
art and ritual shifted from the cosmic to the humanly psychological,
as in Greek drama. Even the ritual became more verbal and less mimetic
or dancelike. Finally, the verbal narrative from Homer and Ovid became
a romantic literary substitute for the corporate liturgy and group
participation. Much of
the scholarly effort of the past century in many fields has been
devoted to a minute reconstruction of the conditions of primitive art
and ritual, for it has been felt that this course offers the key to
understanding the mind of primitive man. The key to this
understanding, however, is also available in our new electric
technology that is so swiftly and profoundly re-creating the
conditions and -attitudes of primitive tribal man in ourselves.
   The wide appeal of the games of recent times-the popular sports of
baseball and football and ice hockey-seen as outer models of inner
psychological life, become understandable. As models, they are
collective rather than private dramatizations of inner life. Like our
vernacular tongues, all games are media. of interpersonal
communication, and they could have neither existence nor meaning
except as extensions of our immediate inner lives. If we take a tennis
racket in hand, or thirteen playing cards, we consent to being a part
of a dynamic mechanism in an artificially contrived situation. Is this
not the reason we enjoy those games most that mimic other situations
in our work and social lives? Do not our favorite games provide a
release from the monopolistic tyranny of the social machine? In a
word, does not Aristotle's idea of drama as a mimetic reenactment and
relief from our besetting pressures apply perfectly to all kinds of
games and dance and fun? For fun or games to be welcome, they must
convey an echo of workaday life. On the other hand, a man or society
without games is one sunk in the zombie trance of the automation. Art
and games enable us to stand aside from the material pressures of
routine and convention, observing and questioning. Games as popular
art forms offer to all an immediate means of participation in the full
life of a society, such as no single role or job can offer to any man.
Hence the contradiction in "professional" sport. When the games door
opening into the free life leads into a merely specialist job,
everybody senses an incongruity.
   The games of a people reveal a great deal about them. Games are a
sort of artificial paradise like Disneyland, or some Utopian vision by
which we interpret and complete the meaning of our daily lives. In
games we devise means of nonspecialized participation in the larger
drama of our time. But for civilized man the idea of participation is
strictly limited. Not for him the depth participation that erases the
boundaries of individual awareness as in the Indian cult of darshan,
the mystic experience of the physical presence of vast numbers of
people.
   A game is a machine that can get into action only if the players
consent to become puppets for a time.. For individualist Western man,
much of his "adjustment" to society has the character of a personal
surrender to the collective demands. Our games help both to teach us
this kind of adjustment and also to provide a release from it. The
uncertainty of the outcomes of our contests makes a rational excuse
for the mechanical rigor of the rules and procedures of the game....]
- Marshall McLuhan and Ted Carpenter, UNDERSTANDING MEDIA: THE
EXTENSIONS OF MAN, 1964, p.237-8 (MIT Press Edition)
The GREAT Bob Dobbs
i repeat a line once handed to me on a flying fist o' fury: Paragraph
breaks
unknown
2008-03-17 17:09:47 UTC
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Post by unknown
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
and you respond with a copy-paste and no opinion of your own.

Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
- Douglas Adams

:: Currently listening to Under Pressure, 1982, by David Bowie/Queen, from "Hot Space"
purple
2008-03-17 17:27:50 UTC
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Post by unknown
Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
You're welcome.

Paramedia Ecology works once more.


The GREAT Bob Dobbs
Ankara
2008-03-18 01:00:59 UTC
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Post by purple
Post by unknown
Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
You're welcome.
Paramedia Ecology works once more.
The GREAT Boob Doobbs
I CAN FEEL IT WORKING!!!!
--
Ankara
Taphouse Cabal
http://taphouse.org/
There is no cabal.

"Slack will get you through the times of no slack." -Zeppo
unknown
2008-03-18 04:25:55 UTC
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Post by Ankara
Post by purple
Post by unknown
Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
You're welcome.
Paramedia Ecology works once more.
The GREAT Boob Doobbs
I CAN FEEL IT WORKING!!!!
IT'S THE SCRUBBING BUBBLES!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
The (doughnut) hole is there, we know it is, but you can't see it, you can't feel it. You cannot prove its
existence, and yet by its very existence it defines and shapes the doughnut. Therefore, I believe the
hole is the soul of a doughnut. When you eat a doughnut, you have fulfilled its reason for existing, and
you set free its immortal soul --the hole. Woe to those half-eaten doughnuts whose souls are doomed to
purgatory, and those stale, unbitten doughnuts whose immortal lives will continue in doughnut hell!
...
Teddi Deppner

:: Currently listening to (Da Le) Yaleo, 1999, by Santana, from "Supernatural"
Rev. Richard Skull
2008-03-18 22:13:02 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Ankara
Post by purple
Post by unknown
Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
You're welcome.
Paramedia Ecology works once more.
The GREAT Boob Doobbs
I CAN FEEL IT WORKING!!!!
IT'S THE SCRUBBING BUBBLES!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialisthttp://joecosby.com/
The (doughnut) hole is there, we know it is, but you can't see it, you can't feel it. You cannot prove its
existence, and yet by its very existence it defines and shapes the doughnut. Therefore, I believe the
hole is the soul of a doughnut. When you eat a doughnut, you have fulfilled its reason for existing, and
you set free its immortal soul --the hole. Woe to those half-eaten doughnuts whose souls are doomed to
purgatory, and those stale, unbitten doughnuts whose immortal lives will continue in doughnut hell!
 ...
Teddi Deppner
:: Currently listening to (Da Le) Yaleo, 1999, by Santana, from "Supernatural"
No, its the Tidy Bowl Cthulu!
The Sicker Vicar
2008-03-18 21:35:11 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by unknown
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
and you respond with a copy-paste and no opinion of your own.
Thanks for reminding me why I killfiled you years ago.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialisthttp://joecosby.com/
Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.
 - Douglas Adams
:: Currently listening to Under Pressure, 1982, by David Bowie/Queen, from "Hot Space"
I don't killfile him. I use Killfile 1.0 beta, otherwise known as
ignoring his queer little self. I don't try to silence the Black
Israelites in Times Square talking about how when the black man rises
up, whitey's gonna get it. Why would I bother trying to silence
PoorPull? Sooner or later, he's going to say/do something actionable,
and then everything he's posted here, both by its content and its
sheer volume, as well as his lingering here despite the reaction to
him, will help form a very clear picture of his character. In fact, we
should hope he feels more and more comfortable here. That's when they
overreach.

Besides, he only ever says a couple of different things until someone
mocks him, and then he goes into schoolyard mode where having ANYTHING
to say in response, even if it's at the level of "I know you are but
what am I?" lets you convince yourself that you've salvaged your
dignity. We've all met PoorPulls at parties. They're the guy who
annoys you no end talking about Amway or some nonsense, and when you
finally holler, "Can't you just go away?" he calmly, with an air of
having rehearsed his answer, says, "No, this party is not by
invitation, and I can stand here talking to you all I want." And just
to prove how pathetic he is, he continues to harangue you, even though
you've clearly established that you hate him, are not listening to
him, and want him to die screaming. PoorPull's been so pathetic for so
long, doggedly refusing to go away is the closest thing to tenacity or
bravery or any other admirable trait that he will ever feel. This is
IT for him. alt.slack is the PINNACLE of his life. Here where he is
despised. DAMN, that's sad.

Perhaps this is his final victory, to pollute the delightfully
rancorous waters of alt.slack with the milk of human kindness, as he
passes through annoying, past pestilent, into the realm of the truly
pitiable. That naked Vietnamese girl, running down the road,
helplessly screaming at the world for its cruelty--THAT is Bob Dean.

Where's ICEKNIFE when you need him?
purple
2008-03-17 15:21:37 UTC
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Post by purple
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
"It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Nonsense.  Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression.  From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system.  Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.
I doubt it.
This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience".  Feh.  Like ooh wow,
man.  But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
Keep thinking.
Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading.  But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Well, that's good, isn't it?
Post by purple
"The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
Yes, miming/battering the formulaic nature of 20th Century Art and
Science.
Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own?
Nope. But responding the way I do to the Android Meme is ORIGINAL.
 You seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.
There aren't any left.
But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message!  Copy-paste!  What a message!
You've got it.
The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself.
Exactly.
I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
McLuhan nailed it... for all time!!


The GREAT Bob Dobbs
zapanaz
2008-03-18 19:26:52 UTC
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Post by purple
Nonsense.  Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression.  From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system.  Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
sex and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.
I doubt it.
That's because you're an idiot and have no idea what you're talking
about.
Post by purple
This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience".  Feh.  Like ooh wow,
man.  But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
Keep thinking.
There's nothing to think about. It's an extremely simple sentence.
But it doesn't SAY anything.
Post by purple
Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading.  But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
Well, that's good, isn't it?
It's as good as you get, if that's what you mean.

You post gibberish, and pretend it means something.

And you've been doing it for decades.

It's like a friend I had, years ago. He wanted desperately to be a
musician, but he was too tone-deaf to realize he was tone-deaf.

--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Question : Rev, Bob's image appeared on some bean silos nearby.
Should I be alarmed or is Bob
Question : spreading his word in odd ways?
SubGStang1 : BEAN SILOS?? Man, those aren't BEAN SILOS! Those are
TOXIC NERVE GAS MISSILE LAUNCHERS disguised
SubGStang1 : as bean silos. The Dobbsheads were probably put there
by the military to ward off evil spirits.

:: Currently listening to Op. 18 No. 4 in C minor: I. Allegro ma non
tanto, 1801, by Beethoven, from "Beethoven: Quartets - 1"
nenslo
2008-03-18 02:55:56 UTC
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Post by MistySteele
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
blabbity blabbity blab
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Interesting. One could say that art is only defined as such because it
is what people see. Shakespeare, Dickens, and Da Vinci are all famous
only because their works were, and are, seen by the masses. Now that the
media is seen by the masses as well, it has become a new form of art.
So, in my opinion, the media is not "killing" the Arts, only replacing
some of them with something else. Whether this is good or bad is up to
individual preference.
Personally, I don't think a forty-eight year old quote has anything to
do with "new media." I don't remember what 1960 was like, but I
remember 1962 pretty well, and I assure you it was a different world
entirely from this one now.
purple
2008-03-18 18:33:03 UTC
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Post by nenslo
Post by MistySteele
Post by SODDI the Unclean
The media IS art.
blabbity blabbity blab
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Interesting. One could say that art is only defined as such because it
is what people see. Shakespeare, Dickens, and Da Vinci are all famous
only because their works were, and are, seen by the masses. Now that the
media is seen by the masses as well, it has become a new form of art.
So, in my opinion, the media is not "killing" the Arts, only replacing
some of them with something else. Whether this is good or bad is up to
individual preference.
Personally, I don't think a forty-eight year old quote has anything to
do with "new media."  I don't remember what 1960 was like, but I
remember 1962 pretty well, and I assure you it was a different world
entirely from this one now.
And why is the present world so different from 1962?

Hmm?


The GREAT Bob Dobbs
SODDI the Unclean
2008-03-18 18:32:40 UTC
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The media IS art.
blabbity blabbity blab
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Interesting. One could say that art is only defined as such because it
is what people see. Shakespeare, Dickens, and Da Vinci are all famous
only because their works were, and are, seen by the masses. Now that the
media is seen by the masses as well, it has become a new form of art.
So, in my opinion, the media is not "killing" the Arts, only replacing
some of them with something else. Whether this is good or bad is up to
individual preference.
Personally, I don't think a forty-eight year old quote has anything to
do with "new media." I don't remember what 1960 was like, but I
remember 1962 pretty well, and I assure you it was a different world
entirely from this one now.
And why is the present world so different from 1962?

Because shut up, dean.
The Sicker Vicar
2008-03-18 21:37:57 UTC
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The media IS art.
blabbity blabbity blab
Report on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
1960.
Interesting. One could say that art is only defined as such because it
is what people see. Shakespeare, Dickens, and Da Vinci are all famous
only because their works were, and are, seen by the masses. Now that the
media is seen by the masses as well, it has become a new form of art.
So, in my opinion, the media is not "killing" the Arts, only replacing
some of them with something else. Whether this is good or bad is up to
individual preference.
Personally, I don't think a forty-eight year old quote has anything to
do with "new media." I don't remember what 1960 was like, but I
remember 1962 pretty well, and I assure you it was a different world
entirely from this one now.
And why is the present world so different from 1962?
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See? He thinks that if he asks you about the PARTICULARS of your
contempt for him, then, that's like, a CONVERSATION, right? And
conversations are things FRIENDS have, right, right? So you're all
gruff and stuff, but you really, underneath it all, like and accept
him, right?

Right?

Anybody?

Oh, God, I think I'm going to cry....
Rev. 11D Meow!
2008-03-19 08:17:50 UTC
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I R STURBATE!
r u prowd?
Sri Bodhi Prana
2008-04-25 16:12:37 UTC
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The media IS art.
"I
Have you nothing of your own to say?

Sri Bodhi Prana
Ego free, and proud of it.

Schwann - Memetico
2008-03-17 16:34:10 UTC
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Church of the SubGenius IS *ART*!!!
of course, why else would i post here? :)
quintal
2008-04-25 14:00:51 UTC
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i thought this was about the arts, not
religion....it seems people are trying harder
and harder to find something to believe in,
but because belief itself requires certain
inner perspectives, this is not always
possible for a given person....
it's not like art is providing inner perspectives anymore

at least, what is called art nowadays
Post by Schwann - Memetico
the religion thing, altho demystified in many
areas, remains a domain of 'belief', or
'hope', for many who have no other means of
expressing themselves to a higher force....
I believe that certain forms of art are close
to 'God'...
art has everything to do with divinity
Post by Schwann - Memetico
now go draw/paint/sing/dance/etc something!
best,
Schwann Cybershaman
In article <TdudnTxfrJggWUbanZ2dnUVZ8t-
Is the media killing the Arts?
is the Pope a catholic?
I doubt, very much, whether anyone who rises above Bishop in catholic or
roman catholic religions, actually believe in God,
which one?
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let alone believing
in Jesus Christ.
which jesus christ?
Post by Schwann - Memetico
Now that the information about the origins of Christianity has appeared
on http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
lol
appeared?
Post by Schwann - Memetico
I doubt that, after the 15th March (see
the publicity campaign for that date on their website) many people will
be able to believe in Jesus of Nazareth any more.
have a look at the contradictors
have a look at the ones who were spreading that same information in the
preceding decades.
--
"You can bet that whenever a country is being ostracized as a pariah
state, its real crime is asserting its independence from the New World
Order. It's no coincidence that the "axis of evil," Iraq, Iran and North
Korea do/did not have Rothschild-run central banks."
Henry Makow, http://www.savethemales.ca/001523.html
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